I hear you, Debbie.
I was a die-hard MAChead until MAC entered the Chinese market.
Then I dropped them like 1 15-pound mealworm.
There are so many great alternatives out there: e.l.f., Makeup Geek, Kiko, Milani, Palladio, Pacifica, Gabriel, Yaby, Anastasia Beverly Hills, and others.

My cousin works with Starbucks and being fairly high up, she has to know everything about production. All Starbucks coffee is organic. However, it costs extra money to have the official Organic label. Perhaps its the same for the bunny?

They said that initially to convince you that they do not test, anytime a company mentions “when required by law” that means they test because it is not required by law in anywhere except china and if they sell there, which apparently they do, then they have to test. If they do not test, they wouldnt have mentioned this.

To be honest, if I was in the cosmetics company, I wouldn’t want a bunny logo on my products whatsoever regardless of whether or not I was cruelty-free. I think some companies just don’t care for it as much as some people don’t care for it. But that’s just my opinion.

Hi Amberr,

The reply states that testing may occur when required by law. “Before we place a product on the market, we assess it thoroughly to ensure that it is safe for human use and for the environment and that it is compliant with all applicable laws, rules and regulations.”

Coty and NYC have since updated the animal testing stance to also say, “The only exceptions are the very few countries where, by law, the regulatory authorities require us to submit our products or ingredients to them for testing on animals as a mandatory part of their regulatory protocols in compliance with their local regulations.”. I just added the updated animal testing policy here.

Brands have to submit themselves to be certified by Leaping Bunny, so it’s something that needs to be a priority to the brand. Unless they have tried to be certified and were not able to meet their standards, Leaping Bunny would not be able to state why the brand isn’t certified.

The reply states that testing may occur when required by law. “Before we place a product on the market, we assess it thoroughly to ensure that it is safe for human use and for the environment and that it is compliant with all applicable laws, rules and regulations.”

Coty and NYC have since updated the animal testing stance to also say, “The only exceptions are the very few countries where, by law, the regulatory authorities require us to submit our products or ingredients to them for testing on animals as a mandatory part of their regulatory protocols in compliance with their local regulations.”. I just added the updated animal testing policy here.

This seems like a pretty clear answer to me?

That I agree with… it seems strange. Maybe a helpful way to investigate the issue would be to ask the leaping bunny people why the company isn’t certified?

We do not perform, nor do we ever commission any third parties on our behalf to perform, animal testing on our products or ingredients.

The quote is from the email quoted in your post (emphasis mine). What else should they say to make it 100% clear that they don’t test on animals at all?

If I am wrong please can someone correct me!! I’ve found some of the brands I USED to use say that they are cruelty free but then they also sell in China. If thats the case they aren’t cruelty free.

Thank you! I agree – the small details of what brands avoid answering are often very telling.

Yes they say that they do not commission a third party to test ingredients or products, but they shadily ducked the question as to whether they sell in China and whether they buy ingredients tested on animals as Coty is known to do. I think Logical Harmony interpretted the response BETTER than they expect their average customer to do by catching that tiny detail most would have missed. If they are buying ingredients tested on animals they are most certainly not cruelty free. and refusing to answer that question or clarifying…if they were cruelty free, a simple reply saying no we dont buy animal tested ingredients either would be easy to send. Silence speaks in this case and needs people like LH to interpret between the lines.